buckingham palace. mitt romney does damage control after his remarks of the london olympics setting off a little bit of a firestorm rather. romney is on the first trip overseas as part of the presidential campaign, and today, he met with the top british officials including prime minister david cameron, but it is romney's comments questioning whether london is ready for the olympics that is creating quite the buzz right now. here is what he said in an nbc interview. >> you know, it is hard to know just how well it will turn out. there are a few things that were disconcerting, the stories about the private security firm not having enough people, and the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials and that is obviously not something that is encouraging. >> and just a short time ago romney downplay ed the earlier comments and he had high parade instead for the olympic organizer organizers. >> my experience as an olympic organizer is that there are always a very few small things

that end up not going quite right in the first day or so, and those will be ironed out and then the games, themselves begin, the very few mistakes will be overwhelmed by the many things that the athletes carry out that capture the spirit of the games. i also applaud the work of the organizing committee in bringing the olympic experience right into the heart of london to look out of the back side of 10 downing street and see a venue having been constructed, knowing that athletes will be carrying out their come petition almost the backyard of the prime minister is really quite an accomplishment for those who wanted to make sure that the olympics would not be far off where the people could not enjoy it, but instead right in london, itself. >> meanwhile, that torch does continue to make its round there in front of londoners, and big

ben in the background. from here, we understand, that the torch right now carried by a 60-something-year-old gentlemen and we don't know more about him, but this torch will make its way down that park, and that route to where buckingham palace. all of this one day before the official start of the olympic games and opening ceremonies tomorrow. controversy aside, the focus is on the games. there was tremendous excitement about the u.s. olympic swim team in particular, and they held a news conference a short time ago. olympic missy franklin said that her heart is with the massacre victims in colorado. >> i saw on cnn tweeted it out, and clicked on the link and read about it and was absolutely horrified. i texted my mom right away, and she was up even though it was 3:00 a.m. there, and i told her and she immediately got on the news and sending me constant updates, but it was absolutely horrible and senseless and you are to wonder why these things

happen in the world, but fortunately, there is nothing i can do about it, and i wish there was, but all i can do here is to swim my heart out and make my state proud and give a little bit of fun for the tough summer that colorado has had. >> all right. missy's heart at home, but at the same time focusing on the games and the races ahead. zain verjee is joining us right outside of the olympic venue there, and zain, missy like so many americans expressing how much her heart hurts for what happened in the shooting, but at the same time, is it any way a distraction to her or any of the other swim team members as they focus on the races? >> it would definitely be on her mind because it was such a globally horrify iing story, an it is something that the members of the swim team and the u.s. would have on their minds, but what they are trying to do right now, fred, is to just focus themselves, because this is about winning. it is about the spirit of the olympics as well. they want to make sure that they

are focused. now, you know the answer to this question, fred, which american athlete has won the most gold medals ever in the history of the olympics -- >> so far michael phelps who will hopefully repeat some more. okay. >> all right. well done. i was worried there, but well done. he got eight in beijing, and just a short while ago he was right behind me there at the aquatic center and what he basically said was that he was really looking forward to the olympics. it is going to be his last time and he was saving the emotional energy just to focus on winning gold again, but he said that he is not trying to think that this is the last time i will be doing this or that, but he said it is something that he just wants to enjoy. and by the way, one little hiccup that has been going over at the aquatic center is that there are people who have bought ticket tickets and really expensive

ones by the way to sit at the top and watch the divers go down and do all of the fabulous stuff, but it is built so high, fredricka, some of them won't be able to see the divers -- >> what! >> -- jumping off of the platform, but they can see them when they make the splash. so that is something that is being addressed. >> and the splash is really important, because we know a good part of that judging, you know, it is based on the splash. but people are spending $300 to $1,000 and more for some of that ticketing even when it is in the so-called ez nosebleed, but they still expect toe soo the whole thing, so they are going to be disappointed. >> yeah, right. they are going to be very disappointed, but there is going to be some way to try to work something out, because it is a little embarrassing, but tickets are really bought by so many people, and the excitement in london is really building up, and central london packed because of the traffic, and we have gotten over the complaining stage, because the games are just a day away. >> yeah, it is all very exciting as richard quest put it earlier,

no whining please. no whine with the cheese. >> and different kind of wining and dining. >> yes, that is what the pubs are for, right. >> about time, actually. >> okay. i thought it was tea time, but okay, on to more serious stuff. thank you. i appreciate it. okay. going back to what is happening downtown in london, i guess all of it is really downtown. our becky an dderson is there where you're closest to where the torch is right now. we are looking at the aerial or the bird's-eye view of the torch and where are we? >> it is an absolute scrum around here, let me tell you. i am trying some crowd control, and the torch has just come past what is one of london's most iconic landmarks and if alex pulls away there, you can see that is big ben. tony page running through and a charity workers and 68 years old and one of the 173 torchbeares s today.

he is handing off to florence row, i'm told who is 81 and here in london as an 18-year-old during the austerity games in 1948. we have been told that the ban ki-moon potentially picking up the torch and running a short distance just over to the left-hand side in a few minutes' time. it has gone 8,000 miles across the uk. this is day 69, and we are nearly, nearly there. >> oh, my goodness. okay. so then when it makes its way through the beautiful, you know, park and roadway to get to buckingham palace, what happens once it gets to buckingham palace? >> what happens next is that it has gone round here and going to go through buckingham palace where you see the duke and duchess of cambridge and prince harry. they are not involved, but overseeing two torchbearers swapping over, and then that will go on the hyde park. there is a huge concert there this evening in the calderon there that will be lit. that is it for the time being.

tomorrow, the torch leaves hampton court, one of the royal palaces up on the glorian, and if you watched the jubilee celebration, it was a beautiful barge n the rain, but it is a beautiful barge set up on the river and we are hoping for a much better day and the forecast is fabulous for tomorrow, and the torch will make its way from the river to where it will be lit, and we are not told by w m whom. and the security here is unbelievable. you may hear the helicopters overhead and of course, that is is maybe because romney is in town as well. >> and sol of the heme of thoses may be taking pictures of ban ki-moon right there as you see the secretary-general of the u.n. making his walk there as it goes throughout london. becky, appreciate that. here is what else we are working ob f ing on for this ho. she is back home and says she is

doing fine, but catherine jackson has no longer custody of her son michael jackson's children. we will hear about that ahead. a train comes off of the tracks and roads across the u.s. are cracking. what is causing it all? the heat. and the other mother, they care for kids and love them and spend all day with them. we are talking about the nannies. >> i watched my baby fall in love with another woman, and it was an incredibly powerful experience. >> they are a big part of the kids' lives, but often cut out of the family picture.

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i tell mike what i can spend. i do my best to make that work. we're driving safely. and sue saved money on brakes. now that's personal pricing. all right. another bird's-eye view of the olympic torch and believe me even though you see the trees there, in the trees, really through the weeds there are runners, the latest torchbearer, one of more than 170 now who have carry the torch through london and through the entire of all of uk traveling the distance of about 8,000 miles. well, in this case, it is almost in the final stretch. it has gone by a number of landmarks in london from trafalgar square and past big ben and soon to make its way to

where buckingham palace and territory there, and whoever gets a chance to run it or walk it whatever they choose with the olympic torch, and they will have a chance to see the duke and duchess of cambridge as well as prince harry who will be there at buckingham palace and we understand that it is more likely in the balcony and give it a wave or two as the torch makes its way tomorrow, and then into the olympic stadium into the opening ceremony for the official start of the olympic games and now you can see a few folks there in the procession of people there. all right. we will keep an eye on the olympic torch in london. all right. it is the family feud, in this country with more twists and turns than you can count. catherine jackson, mother of late pop star michael jackson, is back in her california home today. rumors swirled that she had been kidnapped by her children, but in an apparent statement to abc news, she denies that.

>> there are rumors going around about me that i have been k kidnapped and held against my will. i am here today to let everybody know that i'm fine and here with my children and my children would never do a thing like that, holding me against my will. it is very stupid for people to think that. >> all right. kareen wynter is joining me now on this from los angeles. and fill us in on this latester in drama and what is at the root of this and prompting catherine jackson to give this statement with her children by her. >> well, big question to tackle, but the question is what is happening behind catherine jackson's california home. sources close to the family say she returned home from arizona where she was staying on doctor's orders to stay away from the legal wrangling unfolding from michael jackson's estate and catherine is the beneficiary, and the departure prompted a letter from randy and janet, and they fired off a letter saying that the estate

had been mismanaging things. and then shortly before 1:00, i was told it is emotional and paris jackson and her siblings had not seen their grandmother in so long, and janet jackson in arizona drove back and took the ni nine-hour drive with mom and siblings and she showed catherine jackson handheld video that took place at an altercation when some of the brothers and sisters showed up to try to talk to paris, and this incensed catherine jackson and fired the security team and trent jackson, her caretaker on the spot, and they are still at the property saying they are estate property and are paid by the estate, so no telling what is going on behind the doors and a lot of moving parts. >> well, it seems that paris jackson is pretty prominent in all of this and she is a i have

on, i guess, conveying everything on twitter. this is apparently what she most recently said saying that grandma is here, thank god. she is obviously very happy that her mom is back. but i wonder if the family is taking issue with the fact that she is publicizing so much. >> well, that is what they are afraid of and sources close to the family told me that this is the very thing that michael worked so hard as a dad to keep his kids grounded and shield them from the spotlight and look at what is happening here. for the last week, we have seen unprecedented tweets from the children who are protected so heavily with paris sounding off, and prince sending out a tweet s saying he is so hurt, although i'm happy that my grandma is returned i understand how misguided and lied to she was, but we are hearing so much information inside of the jackson family, the children are being used in essence as pawns and really what is at stake here is michael jackson's estate, and a lot of money dealing with right now, and that the poor

children are put at the forefront of this and stripped of the childhood and put in a very, very terrible position right now. >> well, it seems humiliating on so many levels for a whole lot of members of the family since all of this is so public right now. kareen wynter, thank you so much. all right. it will take more than a higher spf to fix this, roads buckling and trains derailing. it is hot and you are about to see how bad it is getting on america's infrastructure. and first a man who brings walls and ceilings alive and how scott snibby aims for interaction. >> the next step for me is towards future life experiences, like i'd love one day to make the 2001 of interactivity. so you can imagine an experience that was like a huge room or building where you move from floor to floor and in each room there was another narrative experience, part of a story told

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all right. the heat is on across much of the eastern half of the u.s. and as people and animals swelter, the hot dry weather is buckling roads and straining power grids. it has gotten so hot on the 4th of july in bell, texas, that a train derailed on warm tracks. chad meyers is in the cnn weather center with all of this, and people don't anticipate that after a prolonged amount of time this heat can melt, warp, dismantle, crack. >> yes, exactly. if you think about how a the thermometer works. you put it in your mouth and then the mercury gets bigger and expands, and that is how it goes up the thermometer and gets bigger. that is what happens to concrete

as well. when it is hot, the concrete expands like the mercury in a thermometer and when it pushes on another piece of concrete that is also expanding from the other direction, you will get the roads that pop. we have had these now a couple of times. we have even had a couple of times where the tarmac has moved around on some of the airports. we don't want that obviously. you have a little bit more severity going on there. this is happening across 200 to 250 record highs where cities have not been this high on just that date, but any date for any month or any year. and people are not used to that. and things were not built for that. the train tracks, and here is what happens. you get the two pieces of the road to come together and they both expand and then there is no place for them to go, and they have to go up. there is a picture here of a road that made some cars launch as they popped up. >> oh, my goodness. oh, wow. >> you think about that. driving along --

>> look out! >> hoh, my. there was a sign, but not clearly marked well enough for that driver. >> nobody expects that big of a buckle. you don't expect that unless you on a bmx cycle and then you want to jump it. it is the drought a all across the country and drought and no wa ther in the dirt, the dirt can shrink and the dirt can go up or down and then you do get rain, the dirt expands again and so you will have a up and down and freeze-thaw that we used to have in the michigan winters all of the time. >> and it is still high, and we still have august and in some places august is thotest month. >> it can be. it has been a hot summer, and this is going to go down as the hottest summer yet, and we don't know, beuse it is not over yet, but it is on the way. >> thank you, chad myers. straight ahead, you have heard that mitt romney is in london and met with the british leaders and said a couple of things about the olympics preparedness that got him in hot

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more than 200 firefighters are battling a six-alarm fire in an apartment in brooklyn. these pictures show the flames leaping from the roof as thick black smoke billows from the y sky. 15 firefighters and residents have suffered minor injuries. millions of people were plunged into twitter dark nenes this morning. users wanting to get their tweet on were shown this page instead. just a few short weeks ago a software bug knocked out the social networking site and the company says it is investigating the latest outage. of course, by now you know that the republican presidential contender mitt romney is in london. our piers morgan had a chance to sit down with him. piers, it was a rocky start for mitt romney making a few comments about london not being quite prepared, but then saying

as someone who organized the salt lake city games he understands. what was the message to you? >> well, i did obviously call him out on this being from britain, myself, and i also pointed out to mitt romney that his great, great grandfather miles romney was built in preston lancastershire and so he is more english than me, so he should be really getting behind the olympics. >> and what is his response to that? >> well, he is a bit surprised to find out that he is more english than me to put it bluntly, but i did say to him, are you feeling more enthusiastic and he didn't mean it the way it came over, and having been involved in the organization of the salt lake games, he knows how difficult these things are to make successful. i think that he was making the point which is completely undeniable that britain has had some major issues with the security for the games which we still don't know have been completely resolved.

that is a fact. and he was probably walking around in his cavalcade not feeling much enthusiasm, but the sun is now out, and i can tell you that the british were quite reserved by nature, but we are very, very excited underneath these reserved exteriors. >> now, what is the plan besides meeting with the dignitaries there, and what is the plan? he will be meeting in the opening ceremonies and how involved is he that his wife's horse is in an olympic equestrian event? did he talk about any of those things? >> well, he did. actu actually, i spoke more with ann romney, because she sat down with me first and i did an hour-long interview with the two of thel together m together, so longest interview they have done in the last year or two. it was quite emotional in parts, and the horse story is fascinating. rafalca is the horse that ann

romney is involved in, and she believes that the horse saved her life. when she was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis at the end of the last century, she was very, very sick and feared the worse. they all did as a family. then she began to ride again after 30 or 40 years, and she said that the exhilaration of riding, she believes almost certainly saved her. that horse is over there. that is the equestrian center for the olympics and literally that building there and she got quite emotional talking about it. who knows. it would be poignant if that horse won a gold medal after all that ann romney has been through. >> that would be an incredible accomplishment, and let's listen to a small portion of the interview. >> there are people who are trying to attack success and are trying to attack our success. that is not going to be successful. when you attack success, you have less of it, and that is what we have seen in the economy

over the past few years dividing america who has success and who doesn't and who is successful and who is less successful -- we are a nation, and i heard marco rubio the other day, and he said, we were poor living in miami and saw the big homes across town and my parents never said to us, gee, why don't those people give some of what they have. they said instead, aren't we lucky to live in a country where with education and hard work, we might be able to achieve that ourselves. we are an achievement-celebrating-oriented nation and that is what has lifted us and it will continue the do so and the attacks coming by people who are trying to knock down my business career or my olympic career or our success, those attacks are not going to be successful. people want more success, and they don't want less success. >> and so, piers for a long time, he almost wanted to stay away from the discussion of wealth, and now it seems as though just listening from that interview that he is in a position where he is defending

his wealth, and it sounds like there's a little twinge of agitation there. do i get that right? >> yeah, i think that he's frustrated that the stick being used to beat him is that he is too rich and too successful. he doesn't really see that as a weakness in the way that barack obama is trying to sell it to the american people. and he, i think, was directly appealing to the american people saying wasn't america founded on hard work and achievement and making money, and what is wrong with that? that battleground is going to be crucial in the election, and ann romney, too, got involved in the debate and pretty exercised about it, too, and pointed out or one of them did and they certainly agree with each other, had he stayed at bain capital, he would have been a lot richer than he is today and he walked away to save the salt lake olympics and all of the partners who stayed at bain are ten times richer than him and they are all billionaires, so you cannot

accuse him of just being in this for the money. there is another side to him, which he now says he wants to get over to the american people, and, you know, it is a convincing argument. it is interesting how it will play out. >> and piers maybe just a month ago, right, we saw you perched outsidef of the buckingham palace there for the diamond jubilee celebrations and rainy and now it is sunny and we are watching the live pictures of the torch making its way inside of the buckingham palace and we understand that the duke and the duchess of cambridge will be there from the balcony and prince harry and maybe a wave or two, and we don't understand, but the earlier instruction is that they would not necessarily be on the grund to greet the tor torchbearer, but we will see what happens. we are looking at the live bic chu -- pictures. do you have a live remote, piers? are you able to see it as well? >> well, to be honest, i haven't had a chance to see. but the royals are spending most of the year on that balcony doing various things, and so it

is a great year for britain. >> okay. >> and the british people have felt very energized by what has been going on and the royals have been at the scenter of it. >> oh, great. as they now pass the torch, we are seeing the duke and the duchess are at ground level, and they are within reach of the torch if they wanted to put their hands on it, and they are not in the balcony and right there and what a great moment with prince harrys a well, and they are all posting for a great picture. what a moment, and of course, lots of excitement as the torch will be making its way to the olympic stadium tomorrow. any of the sources, because i nknow that you know everybody there in london appears and any any idea who the final torch baear er will be? david beckham or any of the folks whispering in your ear? anybody sharing anything? >> well, i hope it is not david beckham. i mean no disrespect to him. >> why not? >> he is a football player. >> oh, okay. >> he has nothing to do with the olympics, and he is not even in

the great britain team, and i know americans would like to see the becks, but i hope to see the man who won five gold medals and one at each five consecutive olympic games. he is one of the greatest olympians in history and certainly britain's greatest olympian and that is the man who should be holding the torch and with all of the greatest respect to david beckham who is a footballer and never competed in the olympics. >> steven redgrave and we will root for him five consecutive games. >> well, that is incredible. >> look, they are still going, and we will stick with this longer and getting a chance to see where the torch goes from here. you know, for those, i don't know if you suppose that the majority of the people inside of the gates probably work at buckingham palace, because it is not too often that folks get a chance to go inside of the gate. we saw a large crowds outside of the gate in the more public

area, and you have to wonder who are the lucky souls who got a chance to be looking at this up close and personal. incredible stuff. how exciting for you, piers? being the londoner that you are. you are back at home for the this incredible historic olympic games. >> yes, it has been great. i was here for the jubilee and that was very exciting. there is a real feeling in britain that the royal family has reemerged in a very exciting way through the younger royals, william, harry, and kate middleton and the others and the queen celebrating this amazing jubilee and 60 years on the throne and the olympics here has been the icing on the cake. the one thing that the british still do better than anybody in the world is to throw a good event, a good party, and the brits and i have been watching around town in london are ready to party. we have been complaining religiously for six months about how awful it is going to be and the traffic is going to be terrible and the rain is coming and here i am, and it is sunny

and warm and the traffic is fine. the people are here. the athletes are geared up, and bring it on! >> all right. so where are you in proximity to buckingham palace because you say you are not far from the equestrian scenter where the horses are at least that will be competing in the games. how far or close is that to buckingham palace? >> well, i'm kind of in the southeast at the moment of london and the river is just 100 yards from me going that way, and that is east london and that is where the millennium dome is and the wharf which is the tallest building in london and just to the east of london is the olympic stadium. and probably buckingham palace is that way four or five miles. i can tell you that i have been through those gates. i was there for prince charles' 50th birthday party. >> nice. >> it was quite something. when you go inside of buckingham palace, it is unbelievable place. it is just got the most staggering art. it has the most amazing

sculptures, and the most beautifully tendered lawns and all of the liveries and valets and the gear, and it is truly what a palace should be and i hope you get the chance to join me in there one day. >> i would, too, and that would be a treat. if we could work it out we could make it happen within the next ten days when i have a chance to join and and everybody else in london. >> i will have a word with them. >> okay. you have a word with your people [ laughter ] this is exciting to watch the torch making its way, and you know what i am surprised about, piers, when you see the torch run you think literally run, but everyone because it is a short distance, they are choosing to walk it as opposing to are trotting it. everyone is taking the stroll, and taking it all in. would you choose to run or walk if you were a torchbearer? >> it is funny, because i talked to ann romney about this, because ann romney of the salt lake olympics and mitt romney organized it and he was allowed to nominate one hero to be a

part of the torch bearing group and he nominated ann romney, because of what she had been through with the multiple sclerosis and she talked about the moment she took it with her hand and when she was told to do this, she could barely walk, and she said she grabbed the torch when the moment came a few weeks later and she started to run. it is one of the emotional moments of her life and mitt romney's life and the family. and one of the evocative things is that he showed him that the importance of the torch bearing process should inspire. everyone who carries the torch should live up to the olympic ideal of inspiration and his wife had been an incredible inspiration because of what she had been through and everyone who carries the torch in some way has inspired people. that is what i like about it. >> that is beautiful. we look forward toer haing more of your conversation with mitt romney and ann romney tonight on "piers morgan tonight." piers, thank you so much. i will see you in london. have a good time and enjoy the

sunshine and it is a little past tea time i'm reminded, so cheers. [ laughter ] >> never complain about the weather in britain again. it is glorious. like california. >> that's right. . it is nice. see you soon. we will be right back. you can't wish your way onto the podium. ♪ you can't buy it or hope for it. ♪ it's not enough to dream about it. ♪ luck didn't get me to london. i swam here. ♪

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what are you going to be when you grow up? >> reporter: nannies are entrusted with the care of a parent's true treasure, their children. they are paid for the job they do. >> do you have names for them? >> yes. >> reporter: but for the good ones, there is no measure for the love they give. >> they are invaluable to so many families and lisa, when you talk about the long hours and in some cases there are no health benefits or even paid vacation time, is there any kind of push to try to secure special rights or rights for nannies and people who are taking care of other people's children? >> yeah, it is something that we are seeing particularly in states like new york and maryland and in new york in 2010, they passed a doe mmestic workers bill of rights essentially so that when things like overtime violations and things like that come up, because they do work incredibly long hours and the hours may not be consistent and we are not talk about a 9:00 to 5:00 job

here. in here. in montgomery county, maryland, they have also passed law that require families to have written contracts with their nannies, spelling out things, like, what happens in the event if someone gets sick, if the nanny gets sick, if there's sick pay, vacation pay. so these the are all of the issues. but they wanted to capture this moment in this piece and this is what michelle asselin was trying to capture in her piece. so many times parents want someone that's loving and want another parent figure for their child, but it is a complex situation. >> it is, but a beautiful one too. lisa sylvester, thanks so much, appreciate that report. if you're headed to the airport, bring some hand sanitizer. we've got a list of the ones that have the most germs, airport, that is. mine in iraq,. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection,

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talk about taking a shine off things, on the eve of the official start of the summer olympic games, check this out. the gold medals are made of 93% silver and just 1.3% gold. the rest is copper.

that adds up to $650 in melt-down valley. silver medals are 93% silver, 7% copper, worth about $335 melt-down valley. and the bronze is mostly copper, and it's worth less than five bucks. still, if you get one of those, it's invaluable, you know.

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guess the title, "love, love summer." and it has a lot of people in japan dancing. the japanese pop group sings that song. they like to incorporate pop and hip hop into their music. we're going to jam on out of here, and jam right in with brooke baldwin. much more in the newsroom, straight ahead. >> fredricka, thank you so much. hello to all of you. i'm brooke baldwin, when i tell you we have a big show for you, we have a big show for you today. i want to start with this huge development in the case involving jerry sandusky. folks, we have never heard from that boy who sandusky molested in the penn state locker room, in the showers, until now. we are today getting word, victim number two has come forward. he has lawyered up. he has released voice mails, apparently from sandusky himself. so you know we have folks cutting that sound right now and we'll bring that to you here in just a moment. so stick around for that. but i do want to talk

london, and mitt romney, specifically. he is just across the pond. and it's a good thing the british do not vote in our elections, good for romney, that is. romney's audition as an international statesman is quite honestly, off to a rocky start, for what he said about the olympics there, on the eve of the big global event. london awoke to romney second-guessing its preparation. listen to this. >> you know, it's hard to know just how well it will turn out. there were a few things that were disconcerting, the stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials, that obviously is not something which is encouraging. >> disconcerting, he says. now, romney's words got back to british prime minister david cameron, who he did meet with this morning, and cameron said his country is good at welcoming people and that he would make that point to mitt romney. here is mitt romney afterwards. >> my experience as an olympic

organizer is that there are always a few very small things that end up going not quite right in the first day or so. those get ironed out, and then when the games themselves begin and the athletes take over, all the mistakes of the,ing committee, and i made a few, all of those are overwhelmed by the many things that the athletes carry out, that capture the spirit of the games. >> well, what mitt romney said to me is that he thought it looked extremely well organized, the venues looked good, the country is well prepared. he ran a successful olympic games in his own country and i think he's very much looking forward to getting to see some of the events here. >> now, cameron said he took romney's words as a vote of confidence, so the dust perhaps has settled on this one. piers morgan, live for me in london. piers morgan, nice to see you. blue skies. much better than the last time you and i were together for the jubilee. i know you just wrapped a pretty lengthy interview with mitt romney and his wife, ann, and

we'll play some of that in just a moment. but i have to ask you, first, we played the sound from mitt romney earlier. i believe the word he used in describing the olympics, and the preparation or lack thereof in terms of security is disconcerting. i'm just curious, how are the brits feeling today over those comments. >> i thought he was absolutely right, wasn't he? it's no secret over here that for the last three weeks, the security around the olympics has been a shambles. the outside firm they got in to run it has been all over the place. they didn't have enough people. and the army had to be drafted in. so mitt romney was only saying exactly what's been happening. and he's run an olympics. so i thought he was perfectly entitled to be critical. clearly, he had to slightly change his rhetoric after the brits pointed out, hang on a second, old boy, you've got to talk us up a bit. but i thought it was a bit of a fuss about nothing. they have had some issues here, especially about security, and he was just speaking the truth, which sometimes can be rather unpalatable. >> okay.

let's pivot to your interview, piers. i know you talked to mitt romney about gun control, specifically. a huge topic, of course, post aurora, colorado. let's take a listen to that interview. >> president obama last night in a speech made a big speech which looked on the face of it, and he's getting credit for this, looked like he was moving to change things. but actually when you study the detail, hard to find a specific, we should change this law. if he called you up and said, look, we need to get together in the wake of this, as i say, the worst-ever shooting, we need to get together, do a compromised deal, that just makes it more difficult for people like this to evade the system, would you at least, in principle, be happy to have that conversation? >> piers, i don't support new gun laws in our country. we have a lot of gun laws now. we have background checks and other restrictions on gun ownership in our country. but as you say, we have 300 million guns in america.

we have a second amendment that protects the right of people to bear arms. i support that. i think that the effort to continue to the look for some law to somehow make violence go away is missing the point. the real point has to relate to individuals that are deranged and distressed and to find them, to help them, and to keep them from carrying out terrible acts. timothy mcveigh. how many people did he kill? with fertilizer. with products that can be purchased legally anywhere in the world. he was able to carry out vast mayhem. somehow thinking that laws against the instruments of violence will make laws go away, i think is misguided. >> misguided. tell me a little bit more about that exchange. and also just for our viewers, i was reading this article in t e "time" magazine, we'll be talking to the author of this piece, which i don't think a lot of people realize, the assault weapons ban, it lapsed. it wasn't re-upped in congress in 2004, but it was mitt romney as governor of massachusetts who

signed that into legislation on a state level, so why not nationally? >> well, that's to point i made to him and others have made to him. i mean, he doubled down very firmly. he does not want to see any change to gun laws whatsoever, despite wanted in aurora. i felt that president obama last night was opening the door, publicly, to having at least a conversation with republicans about this. to rtry to work through some consensus about what would be sensible. i said to him, i said, look, when i say this as a brit in america, a lot of americans say, why don't you go back home and say it there. well, i'm here. and given that i'm in my own country, which has strict gun control laws, and there aren't many guns on the street, and we have about 50 murders from guns a year, america has between 8,000 and 12,000 murders from guns every year. because you have about as many guns as you do people.

i don't want to compromise the second amendment or tell americans how to live their lives or go against the constitution, but i said to mitt romney, who's going to stop the next 24-year-old kid who's disturbed, but has no mental health record, no criminal history record, so there'll be no flags about him at all, going in and buying a assault weapon, and then buying a drum of 100 bullets that can fired within a minute. who will stop him? because the law currently won't do that. >> piers, give me one more nugget out of this interview and then we'll talk about when it airs. >> i thought the most emotional bit, actually, having ann romney here, i had a private conversation with her. behind me here is the equestrian center for the olympics, and she has this horse which she has co-owned for a number of years, which is competing in the dressage section of the olympics and has a reasonable chance. but a really poignant thing is the ann romney in the late '90s was diagnosed with multiple

sclerosis, and she began to ride again. she was desperate, she had lost all her energy, she felt that she was dying. and she said she got back on a horse and exhilarated her again and made her feel alive again. she believes it saved her life, riding again. and to have now this horse competing in the olympics and the olympics being so special to the romneys, because of the salt lake olympics, that mitt romney helped pu eed turn around, she y emotional about that, and mitt romney got emotional talking to his wife about the fact that he felt for a while that he may lose her. >> we'll watch for the emotion and the politics tonight. piers morgan, live, back home in london. good to see you, sir. don't forget to catch the big interview tonight, "piers morgan tonight," 9:00 p.m. eastern, both mitt and ann romney, right here on cnn. and the torch has arrived in london. they ran it past the city's

famous landmarks today. and suddenly london is juiced up. >> brilliant, just brilliant. >> we really wanted to see the torch. it's like a once in a lifetime opportunity. so we all wanted to get here early and show our support. >> and was it worth it? >> very much so. we really enjoyed it. the atmosphere, the fun, the people, everything. >> cnn's zain verjee, live in london. and zain, i learned very, very quickly what a british summer can entail. but it looks like -- >> you did. >> it looks, though, like blue skies today in london there. hopefully that's a good omen for you. >> i hope it's a good omen. i mean, you've got different tribal dances of different countries, all across london doing rain dances and just trying to make sure that that doesn't happen here and the

weather holds up like this. i myself have been doing a little african tribal dance here, to make sure we get as good weather as this. it kind of goes like this, but that's -- >> wow, zain! >> but i don't know, i don't know if the weather is going to hold up, but the opening ceremonies are tomorrow. there's a little chance of showers, the fireworks could get totally soaked, but who knows? the games are here. and as you were describing, the torch has been going through the major landmarks in central london. it went through big ben, the millennium bridge, and buckingham palace, and there we saw the royals also having a little bit of fun, kate and william having a go at the torch as well. >> on the royals, let's have a little fun here. because it's a good thing for your country that prince harry is now your point guard. let's roll the video, because we saw him shooting hoops today. he is toeing the foul line, and watch this, watch with me, not so pretty. he's a good sport. he's aed good sport, right? >> he's a great sport.

let's face it. no matter what he does, he's going to look good doing it and get a lot of attention because he's there. and it's not about winning or being so fabulous all the time, you know? it's also about the spirit of the games and the athletes, so it is for the royals as well. earlier on, kate and william were at a school and they played a little bit of soccer/futbol as we say here in london, with the kids too. so they're really getting into it, brooke. i don't know why you're not here along with the 3.5 million people coming from around the world to enjoy london. everyone's really getting into the olympic spirit. there are a lot of great parties. you would have loved it. maybe next time. >> maybe next time. >> london is ready. >> enjoy it for me. zain verjee, live in london. one of the godfathers of too big to fail says break up the banks.

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the battle. you're very familiar, you have sources, but certainly, we have to presume that the regime is sending their own forces as soon as possible. >> right. we've heard from several sources that the regime is pulling troops from the northern part of the country, and concentrating them in alepo, because rebels have made some gains. they are able, right now, to hold some territory, but the syrian regime is not going to want to allow these rebel forces to hold the ground that they've gained. and it's a very asymmetric battle, brooke. you have a bunch of rebels with ak-47s. i spoke to one reporter, luke harding of the guardian, who says some of them are running out of ammunition. they have knives on their belts, because that's what they say they can fight with this. this is all they have. >> we pointed out before, this is the capital city of damascus, in different circles, this represents different neighborhoods where there has been this fighting. so far the syrian regime have been able to quell whatever reports have popped up there. but back to alepo, what does it

look like right now? empty streets? lawlessness? >> not lawlessness, but empty streets, yes. one of my sources from inside alepo says, look, it's a little bit calmer in the streets today in the sense that there's no street fighting. but people are hunkered down. they're waiting for this assault they're expecting from the regime army against the rebels. and also, you have to understand something about alepo that's slightly different from other areas where there's been fighting. this is a city that has a very complex relationship with the revolution. 20% of this city, at the very least, is christian. christians are very much in their majority in support of the regime against the rebels. they fear an islamist takeover. this is not a city that in its ethnic and confessional competition is similar to damascus. it's very different. >> you mentioned the troops heading toward alepo, do we have any idea when they'll arrive? >> no, we don't, but we are hearing from sources that the anticipation, but, of course, in

these cases, it's always good to be cautious, but the anticipation is for tomorrow or saturday. but we have to remember the people who are suffering the most. and those are the civilians. stichbls and in large part, in this particular conflict, children as we've seen and shown our viewers day in and day out. it's absolutely heartbreaking, but those who have not chosen to fight in this battle are suffering the most from it. >> we'll talk tomorrow and see what happens. hala gorani, thank you very much. he built one of the biggest banks in this country, saying bigger is better. now citigroup's former ceo says big banks need to be broken up. this is a major change of heart, but is it too radical? i got mine in iraq, 2003. usaa auto insurance is often handed down from generation to generation. because it offers a superior level of protection, and because usaa's commitment to serve the military, veterans and their families is without equal. begin your legacy, get an auto insurance quote.

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former ceo of, drumroll, citigroup. >> brooke, the godfather of big, huge banks now says maybe they are too big. it's the ultimate wall street flip-flop. sandy while, former chairman of citigroup, spent years and millions of lobbying groups pushing congress to let banks get bigger. congress and president obama agreed and tore down exceptions, and then they were allowed to make risky trades and that led to the financial crisis. now sandy while tells cnbc this. >> i think we should probably go and split up investment banking from banking and have banks do something that's not going to risk the taxpayer dollars, that's not going to be too big to fail. >> not only are they too big to fail, some say they're too big to make money for their shareholders. banking stocks are down nearly 60% over the past five years, compared to the s&p 500, which is down about 9% over the same

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the jacksons, their family drama turning into one big reality show that i know a lot of you cannot turn away from. it all surrounds michael jackson's mother, katherine. allow me to reintroduce you to the family. first up you have father joe and mother katherine, and then eight remaining kids. however, none of thosing eight was in michael jackson's will, and many believe this is precisely what this whole fuss has really been about. to make matters worse, 82-year-old katherine jackson apparently decided she wanted to get away from the bickering for a couple of days, get some rest, but all hell broke loose about where she was. paris, michael jackson's daughter, tweets expressing concerns for her grandmother qub and then it has it out with her aunt, janet. other family members demand to know where katherine is. absolute madness. in today's episode, the drama

heats up. katherine jackson's back home and says she wasn't kidnapped. here she is. >> there were rumors going around about me that i was kidnapped and held against my will. i'm here today to let everyone know that i'm fine and i'm here with my children and my children would never do a this thing like that, hold me against my will. it's very stupid for people to think that. >> well, people did think that. her granddaughter paris, an l.a. county judge, even her grandson, t.j., who now has temporary custody of prince, paris and blanket. let me bring in someone who knows this family very, very well. our cnn correspondent alan duke, who originally broke this story for us. alan, you say ckatherine met wih her lawyers this morning. do we know what that conversation entailed? >> katherine is probably right now meeting with her lawyers, or at least they're going to try to meet with her. if that goes off. they have to actually meet with her before they can file a petition to have custody

restored to her. it was temporarily suspended yesterday, given to her grandson, t.j. jackson. but the lawyer has to be able to attest before the judge that he met with her and that she's ready to resume guardianship. so that meeting, i'm also expecting, would include the lawyers telling her all of the things that were going on in the media and at home and around that she may not know about, because she was isolated at this spot. a spot that doesn't allow phones in. and that's why she said she wasn't able to call for ten days. the kids didn't even know she was at the spa. that was one of the big problems. the lawyer calls it a really bad miscommunication. >> miscommunication. >> yeah, that's what it was. you know, this is a lawyer who has to not say anything bad about her children, because, of course he works for katherine jackson, and she never says anything bad about her children, no matter what. >> let me ask you, alan, about prince. i know you've spent some time with prince, you have seen his relationship play out with a couple of his uncles. tell me a little bit about what you've seen with your own eyes

and whose side are they on? >> well, these photos you're seeing right now are from a few months ago when i had some time with prince and his uncles, marlon, jackie, and tito. it was at an event where it was a very small event, where he was there showing his support for an endorsement that they were doing. and i got to talk to him a little bit on and off the record, and i can tell you that he really enjoys being with those three right there. those three are not involved in this squabble. in fact, you've seen them speak out against what was going on, their mother not communicating with prince and paris. so here you see a very relaxed. he's a young man who is mature beyond his age. he tweeted this morning, do we want to look at that, a very dramatic tweet, "as i'm sure everyone is well aware of the events that have been going on, i have been holding off on backing up my sister and her tweets avidly, because i was waiting for more time, the time to reveal my side. as long as i can remember, my dad had repeatedly warned me of certain people and their ways.

although i am happy my grandma was returned, after speaking with her, i realize how misguided and how badly she was lied to. i'm really angry and hurt." that's what he tweeted this morning, probably as he was getting ready to go to school. >> isn't it just amazing, the things now people are putting out there in the public sphere on twitter? you also have paris, right? she was tweeting. in fact, what was it, last wednesday, alan, you knew last wednesday that she wanted to call the nfbi over all of this. >> oh, yeah. i was told that she was very upset, because after three or four days from not hearing from her grandmother unexplainably, she called janet jackson up and said, please let me talk to her, and they got into an argument over it. and a few days later on monday afternoon, you've seen the security cam video of a confrontation between paris and janet, so a real split there. but paris has led the way in this family. she's got more than a half a million twitter followers. you never want to go against a 14-year-old girl who's fighting for her grandmother and has half a million twitter followers. she has ruled in this, if you want to call it a pr battle, but

really a family feud, it seems paris jackson is the leader. >> she seemed legitimately worried, at least we now know katherine jackson is fine. alan duke, thank you so much for your reporting for us in los angeles. we appreciate it. and as we learned, the suspected colorado shooter may have sent a warning. "time" magazine declares the nra and guns have won. we're going to ask why. plus, a puppeteer entertaining children had horrible thoughts about these little ones and described them in detail online and that's when the feds moved in. i'm barack obama and i approve this message.

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diagnosed with it herself at age 29. she miraculous survived and is now driven to help others. >> this is the aids quilt panel patricia nals helped make in honor of her husband lenny and 3-year-old daughter, tiffany. for the 55-year-old mother of two, it was bittersweet. her husband was an iv drug user who had been clean for years. he died of aids in 1987. six months later, their daughter, tiffany, succumbed to the disease. nals knew she had aids shortly after her husband was diagnosed. she was just 29 years old. >> i was very sick when i was diagnosed. i was 80 pounds. i had no t-cells and i was told that i had less than two years. >> she was devastated. >> the first thing i thought about are my children. i'd bought my plot. i bought -- put everything in place for death. >> nals thought she was the only woman with hiv. she found very little support for women seeking help. when her doctor assured her she wasn't alone, she put up a flyer

in her us a wioffice, hoping tot with others who were affected. >> and i just started a support group in my home. and in the support group, we came together, we cried, we prepared for death. >> but nals didn't die, because the first aids drug, adt, became available, and once on the drug, she started getting better. that connection grew to what is now the women's clktive. it's an aids service organization that serves more than 300 hiv positive women in the washington metropolitan area. pat is the founder and executive director. >> i feel good about what i've created, to help women who -- with things that i didn't have in place when i needed it. >> and now 25 years later, this new aids panel honors her husband and her child. pat says making it what cathartic. >> it's great to have them added to the history of this epidemic. >> her two other two children

are now 29 and 32. they are both hiv negative and pat recently passed one more milestone she didn't think she'd make. she became a grandmother. dr. sanjay gupta, cnn, reporting.

we have just turned around some tape i want to play for you in just a moment. president obama meeting with his cabinet today. the last time he did this was in fact the end of january, and he really talked about the economy and his secretary of state, hillary clinton. >> for me to bring my cabinet together, to thank them for the extraordinary work they're doing on a whole range of fronts. you've got tom vilsack working

very hard to make sure that farmers and ranchers are getting help at a time of devastating drought. you have secretary clinton, who has been logging more miles than any secretary of state in history, dealing with a whole rake of problems and opportunities around the globe. obviously, we're going to be focusing a lot on the situation in syria and what we can do there to make sure that we reduce the bloodshed. but a whole range of cabinet members and obviously my administration are focusing on our economy. and how do we make sure this is the economy in which people work hard, who act responsibly can get ahead? this is a particular challenge right now. we're seeing some of the weaknesses in europe, and it is a perfect time for us to focus on what are steps we can take now, not later, not a year from

now, but right now, to strengthen the middle class and put more people back to work and provide business greater certainty? and yesterday the senate voted to ensure that 98% of americans don't see their taxes go up next year. that 97% of small businesses don't see their taxes go up next year. it was the right thing to do. it will provide certainty and security to families who are already feeling pinched, because of the economy. it will be good for the economy as a whole. and now, the only thing that is going to prevent the vast majority of americans from not seeing a tax increase next year is if the house doesn't act.

we need 218 votes in the house of representatives, 218 votes in the house of representatives to make sure that 98% of americans don't see their taxes go up next year. and so, one of the things that i'm going to be doing, my cabinet members are going to be doing, over the next several days, is to make sure that the american people understand that we can provide them certainty right now for next year, that their taxes will not go up and they will then be able to plan accordingly, small businesses will be able to plan accordingly, knowing that we've taken a whole bunch of uncertainty out of the economy at a time when the global economy is experiencing a number of disruptions. so, again, i would urge the house of representatives to do the right thing and i'm going to make sure that my cabinet members amplify that message in the days to come.

thank you very much, everybody. >> president obama there at the big table, flanked by his secretary of state, hillary clinton, defense secretary, leon panetta. hopefully we will get a readout of that entire cabinet meeting and we'll report on that as soon as we get it. meantime, it has been six days since that gunman randomly shot up that movie theater full of just innocent people in colorado. and the gun control debate absolutely ignited now. boiling over, in fact. both mitt romney and president obama taking a stand. we're going to tell you what it was they said, just in the last 24 hours, and why -- see the cover of "time" magazine? why "time" says guns won. ( whirring and crackling sounds ) man: assembly lines that fix themselves. the most innovative companies are doing things they never could before,

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let me set the scene here. a mass shooting, many, many innocent people dead. the nation in shock and grief. its leader urges change. >> we have to examine all the facts behind this tragedy. we cannot and will not passive in the face of such violence. we should be willing to challenge old assumptions in order to lessen the prospects of such violence in the future. >> that was president obama in january of last year after a deranged gunman targeted congresswoman gabrielle giffords, killing 6 people and injuring 12 others. since then, what has happened in gun control legislation? nothing. i'm quoting here from the cover story of the new issue of "time" magazine, entitled, "how guns

won: why americans have turned against gun control." this article explains why the 1994 ban on assault weapons as part of this crime bill expired in 2004 and has stayed that way. and this man, this man, alleged shooter in aurora, james holmes, used an ar-15 rifle, but plus say it's not clear if the weapon was on full automatic last friday when 12 people were massacred in that movie theater. i want to go straight to "time" magazine's deputy washington bureau chief, michael crowley. michael, welcome, it's good to see you. so i'm glad we're talking today, it's so timely given the president's comments and also mitt romney's comments of the last 24 hours. so the president, as they point out at the top of this article, had been silent on gun control really since that massacre until he spoke in new orleans last night not national urban league. let's listen. >> i, like most americans, believe that the second amendment guarantees an individual the right to bear arms. but i also believe that a lot of gun owners would agree that

ak-47s belong in the hands of soldiers, not in the hands of criminals. >> mike, what do you make of those words last night? do you think it's more of a stronger stance than post-tucson, but will it still lead to nothing? >> the rhetoric is maybe a little bit stronger. you know, and it's noteworthy, it's much stronger than anything he's said, you know, in the immediate wake of the shooting. but i don't know how much farther he's going to go. look, one point that joe klein makes in his excellent cover story is that the nra essentially has won the debate about guns and the country. and that democrats are terrified of this issue. they learned the hard way from experiences dating back to the clinton presidency that the nra will exact a heavy toll, although as joe argues, sometimes -- there's some democrats who think that the nra's power has been overstated and democrats really need to test the waters again, to push gun control. but public opinion is not really

there either. so to answer your question, i don't think it will go much farther than a couple of campaign speeches for the president. >> before we talk about how this fared, not just for bill clinton, but for al gore in 2000. let's get the tape from mitt romney, what he said about this alle alleged gunman, james holmes, to nbc. >> well, this person shouldn't have had any guns and bombs and it was illegal for him to have many of those things in the first place, but he had them. so we can sometimes hope that just changing the law will make all bad things go away, it won't. >> to be clear, romney's staff later said, what romney meant by weapons, was the bombs, not the guns, legally speaking. still, he does not support more gun control laws. however, joe klein points out in this article, when he was the governor of massachusetts, he extended that assault weapons ban in his state as law there. so what happened? i believe joe used the word

chameleon? >> this is an uncomfortable issue for romney, because it is one of several cases where he moved to the right when they developed national ambitions and no longer had to appeal to a fairly liberal electorate in massachusetts. but i think it's just a tough spot for any politician, and, you know, i was struck, actually, by some other comments i heard romney make, trying to brought it back to the issue of the economy. romney's default position on everything seems to be to go back and talk about the economy. what he seemed to be saying is that the country needs some spiritual healing. and one way to do that is to lift the lot of americans. it's almost a way of saying, more jobs will lead to less gun violence. that's one way to handle it. i don't think anyone has a good answer. you get the sense that both sides are feeling a little timid about the issue. >> it's clear, the typical republican response, but quickly you bring up president clinton, he passed the assault weapons

ban in '04. joe klein says it was the most radical gun control platform in american history and we know what happened with al gore. there's this quote from conservative joe will in this piece that says, no law could have stopped someone like the suspect here. here's what he writes. "i defy you to write a gun control law that would prevent someone like this with a long time horizon and a great planning capability from getting the arms he wants. i just think that this is a mistake." does any of this matter, in the end? someone's going to get there -- you know, someone with nefarious intentions are going to get their hands on ammo and guns and laws won't matter. >> right, i mean, i think if somebody is truly psychotic and they're determined to hurt people and they have the ability to plan, their going to be able to do it. you can't legislate away evil, so to speak. i think joe's argument is, you know, that heir on the side of closing as many little loopholes

as possible. so guns are a particularly easy way, quick way, cheap way of killing people. you know, building elaborate bombs, take the movie theater example. you know, wiring up a movie theater with bombs, that's harder than coming through aback door with a gun that can spray a lot of bullets quickly. i think joe's argument is, who are you really -- what is the real harm in tightening some of these laws. and if you can prevent some of these supposed, save some laws, err on the side of doing that. but i think it's true that the american people generally feel like it's a pretty knnuanced, complicated issue. it involves mental health, involves a lot of other things and there's not a quick fix solution. >> michael crowley, we appreciate you. the cover story here on "time" magazine, "how guns won." thank you, sir. and i know some people don't need guns. the story behind this punch, next. over the south pacific in 1943. i got mine in iraq, 2003.

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coach mike mcqueary said he had spotted in the campus showers with sandusky, back in 2001, at penn state. these lawyers, they released voice mail messages they say sandusky allegedly left for this victim, victim number two, last year. and just to remind you, this audio was provided by lawyers who say they have found victim number two. here you go. >> i was just calling to see, i didn't know if you had any interest in going to a penn state game this saturday. if you could get pack to me and let me know, i would appreciate it. and when you get this message, give me a call, and i hope to talk to you later. thanks. i love you. >> the same lawyers represented several other victims in the sandusky case. remember, sandusky was convicted last month of 45 counts of sexual abuse. cnn contributor sarah ganim is on the phone with me. sarah, i just to begin with, why now? why release the messages now? is it to try to prove that this boy is, indeed, victim number

two here? >> brooke, the best i can excess is that they're ready to file a civil suit. this man did not come forward to his attorneys right now. his attorneys are telling everyone for the first time. he actually came forward back in november, not long after jerry sandusky was arrested. but the way he came forward was very interesting. he went to joe amendola, jerry sandusky's defense attorney and said, you know what, i think that's me that they're talking about. i was that boy in the shower, but nothing sexual happened. joe amendola said he intended to call him at a witness at trial for sandusky, but once the boy hired an attorney, joe amendola said, you know, i guess we're not going to be able to use him anymore. now, fast forward eight months and he's coming forward saying that he is the victim of abuse, that he had been abused before that mike mcqueary incident, after the mike mcqueary incident, and he intends to the sue, because he says his abuse, he believes, could have been

stopped if penn state officials had done the right thing back in 2001. >> okay, so you're saying possibly here, we could be seeing a civil suit. we know sandusky, as we mentioned, convicted of those 45 counts, yet to be sentenced. would this have an impact on that case? >> i don't foresee it having an impact on that case. he didn't take the stand and testify during that trial. it's not clear, at this point, if prosecutors are going to bring more charges against sandusky, because when he goes to be sentenced in september, he's really looking a de facto life sentence, because of his age and the amount of years of the convictions he carries. so whether or not this becomes a new part of a new criminal case is pretty unlikely. where, thing, has the potential to impact a criminal case is actually in the cover-up part of it. whether or not he could potentially be a witness for the prosecution in the trial of those two penn state officials who are charged with nve